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First, I am not the most highly educated person, don't have a high degree, but I do have curiosity. And I was listening to someone speaking about generational differences and that translated (naturally!) to me musing about how the Aman-born elves coped with the influx of so many different people.

And, if you are a canon scholar, please be gentle. I'm a layperson. I do this for my own entertainment and don't make a single dollar off it.

When the ban of the Valar was lifted a lot of Noldor sailed. That probably wans't so hard. They were Noldor, and if they weren't born in Aman, they likely had parent(s) who were and knew about life there.

But then you get the other kindreds. Silvan, Sindarin, Telerin (and yes, I know there are Teler in Aman, but the Falathrim were almost a people apart by then). And they brought with them all of their traditions and ways of thinking that must have been very different from those elves born in Aman. In M-e, you don't have the Valar right there. You don't have Maiar, at least not openly. You don't have the traditions of respect and stars only knows what other hundreds of traditions sprang up over the generations.

It all comes from this. Here, in America, we have a lot of different ethnic groups who moved here. Then you get the second generation who speak the language and understand both sides of the coin. My Dad was first generation Italian-American. He spoke both languages. His children do not speak Italian, don't know half the traditions of the old country and a lot of heritage was lost. We gained new traditions and I don't know....

I imagine that must be how it would be for the elves going to Aman for the first time. Everything would be odd, even if this is the place the Valar prepared for elves. They were born in M-e, raised there, for countless generations. It was home. It was where their ancestors awakened. It was the true, first Elvenhome. Of course, Cuivienen was gone, but still.

So how did they cope with all that new? All the traditions that weren't theirs. All the languages that they didn't know. All the places and memories and stories that were different and new and probably some very radical ideas about who and what the Valar were.

We're still learning in America how to deal with the changes. I find them fascinating and love to hear stories of how life was in a person's homeland and what traditions they had and still keep. But other people get threatened by change and worry it's changing the landscape of what they perceive as 'home'.

Date: Jan. 10th, 2017 09:36 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sparowe
You may not be a scholar, but you're clearly better read in this case than I am! Sounds fascinating. :) For all that Tolkien wrote, there are still areas unexplored. I guess that's why there was so much fic to fill the gap, even before the movies (though certainly that caused an influx).

Date: Jan. 10th, 2017 11:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] keiliss
My mental comparison has also been home-based and colours the fic I've written about going 'back' to Aman. During apartheid many activists fled into exile and lived abroad for years. They had children who were raised in another culture, made friends, went to school, spoke the local language far better than their parents' mother tongue. Some learned the old language, some didn't. And then democracy came and all those families started making their way home, which was wonderful for the parents who had left in the 70s and 80s but they brought their children (and sometimes grandchildren) 'home' to a strange and very different world. And there has always been a 'them' and 'us' between the exiles and those who stayed and faced all the dangers and privations of being black, politically aware and living under apartheid. I can remember some really snide comments about the daughter of a well-known member of the ANC leadership-in-exile because she spoke with an English accent and could not speak more than a few words of Xhosa. Eventually people have found their spaces but many of those children raised in England or Russia or wherever have quietly gone back to what they're used to. Which the elves who crossed the sea couldn't do, of course. It has often made me wonder what Tol Eressea looked like in the end, it must have been its own world and rather different than the mainland.

Date: Jan. 11th, 2017 08:04 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] hhimring
An interesting post, Levade!

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